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Post by chililili on Mar 2, 2014 17:44:19 GMT
But the thing si s always there will be more ppl on the american thus making it harder, curently attencadance is at a 100 I think that's acceptable you're also discounting the fact that cryptozoic did far more publicity on the newsletter for the first tournament
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Post by Werlix on Mar 2, 2014 19:48:31 GMT
But the thing si s always there will be more ppl on the american thus making it harder, curently attencadance is at a 100 I think that's acceptable you're also discounting the fact that cryptozoic did far more publicity on the newsletter for the first tournament This could be solved by weighting the number of entrants given to the top 8 by the ratio of atendees for that tournament. EG if NA had 80 people and EU had 50 then the top 5 from NA would advance and the top 3 from EU would advance to the top 8. This would also reduce the number of rounds in the tournament which would allow time for a lunch break. |
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Post by Admin on Mar 3, 2014 2:06:10 GMT
I really do value your guys' feedback. That said, I'm not going to have any more than one event a month at this time. Once beta starts up this may change but at least for the next few months I'm not going to do it. It really doesn't have anything to do with lack of help (I have plenty) it's mainly for logistical reasons. I enjoy just running one event per month. It gives the event a lot of build-up and excitement. I do understand that the event is already the premier event among the Hex community each month (maybe by proxy of being the only one) and if I can get some more donations, I might have the means to have a second event. Currently, prizes are coming out of my pocket so it's difficult to give out 200 packs a month.  Like I said, I'll revisit this once we're in beta. Keep the suggestions coming. |
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Post by Werlix on Mar 3, 2014 2:25:21 GMT
I really do value your guys' feedback. That said, I'm not going to have any more than one event a month at this time. Once beta starts up this may change but at least for the next few months I'm not going to do it. It really doesn't have anything to do with lack of help (I have plenty) it's mainly for logistical reasons. I enjoy just running one event per month. It gives the event a lot of build-up and excitement. I do understand that the event is already the premier event among the Hex community each month (maybe by proxy of being the only one) and if I can get some more donations, I might have the means to have a second event. Currently, prizes are coming out of my pocket so it's difficult to give out 200 packs a month. Like I said, I'll revisit this once we're in beta. Keep the suggestions coming. To clarify we aren't suggesting a separate event with separate prizes, we're suggesting splitting the main tournament into two brackets running a few hours apart, then picking the top X players from one tournament and the top Y players from the second tournament to play in a single top 8 on day two. Challenge point prizes can be adjusted to suit. So in effect it is still one event with the same build-up and excitement, just with two brackets running side-by-side to suit a worldwide player base. |
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Post by meetthefutur3 on Mar 3, 2014 11:01:56 GMT
I don't like that idea. The numbers of people proceeding to the top should be related to the number of people and number of rounds (the three numbers formula) - otherwise it will be too unbalanced with either people X-1 not getting to the top or with lots of X-2's getting in
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Post by Werlix on Mar 3, 2014 18:22:34 GMT
I don't like that idea. The numbers of people proceeding to the top should be related to the number of people and number of rounds (the three numbers formula) - otherwise it will be too unbalanced with either people X-1 not getting to the top or with lots of X-2's getting in The number of rounds is directly related to the number of people in the tournament. Top X spots have never been determined directly by number of rounds. That's why going X-1 or X-2 has never guaranteed spots in the top 8, it's just how the swiss/Mantis system works. For example in my previous example of 50/80 players in the two tournaments: 80 players, 7 rounds, on average 1 player would 7-0 and go through, 4 players would 6-1 and all would go though. 50 players, 6 rounds, on average 1 player would 6-0 and go through, 5 players would 5-1 and 2 of them would go through. In either case you have to finish roughly in the top 6% (8/130) so it's the same deal. |
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Post by chililili on Mar 3, 2014 18:32:01 GMT
All of these ideas, quite honestly are way too fucking complex to implement and will most likely result in a mistake and backlash, I have a simple proposition, if we have lots of people on the other side of the world just change the tournament time so it's easy for them to attend, then we see the overall attendance of the tournament, if it sucks then revert it back to "American" hours, if its equal then alternate so that one month we get easy time tournament in America and next month easy time Europe. The only thing is that then the organizers would have to not sleep that weekend.
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Post by Werlix on Mar 3, 2014 21:22:47 GMT
All of these ideas, quite honestly are way too fucking complex to implement and will most likely result in a mistake and backlash, I have a simple proposition, if we have lots of people on the other side of the world just change the tournament time so it's easy for them to attend, then we see the overall attendance of the tournament, if it sucks then revert it back to "American" hours, if its equal then alternate so that one month we get easy time tournament in America and next month easy time Europe. The only thing is that then the organizers would have to not sleep that weekend. It's only one idea and it's not complex: split the tournament into two starting a few hours apart. The number advancing to the top 8 can be announced when the tournament starts. The only issue is whether we have people able and willing to admin the second tournament. |
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Post by cabalpapa on Mar 4, 2014 5:58:05 GMT
While perhaps not as vehement, I generally agree with Chili's thoughts. The already produced counter to the timing issue was done in February. It had many hitches, but was still fun and creative. This is a common problem of playing things form around the world. Generally, if you want an asian or european or whatever tournament, find organizers/promoters from those time zones, and/or prove that your time frame is much better and productive for a larger amount of people. It seems pretty simple to me.
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Post by meetthefutur3 on Mar 4, 2014 13:42:07 GMT
All of these ideas, quite honestly are way too fucking complex to implement and will most likely result in a mistake and backlash, I have a simple proposition, if we have lots of people on the other side of the world just change the tournament time so it's easy for them to attend, then we see the overall attendance of the tournament, if it sucks then revert it back to "American" hours, if its equal then alternate so that one month we get easy time tournament in America and next month easy time Europe. The only thing is that then the organizers would have to not sleep that weekend. 10 AM EST is probably like 3 PM gmt (and 5 PM CET) - with the tourney going about 8 hours for most of the europeans it will end around midnight-1AM with EST being the closest american time, for 2/3rd of americans it will starm at 9 or 8AM - so I would even say this time is worse for americans than for europeans (from my point of view, waking up early to attend a tourney by 8 am is more painful than staying till 1AM after midnight ^^) - so if we are choosing the universal time - this suits the most possible number of people I am from GMT+4 myself so starting a bit earlier would suit PERSONALLY me better... but it will be only me and few other russians - but i think the chosen time is the best for community |
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Post by Werlix on Mar 4, 2014 19:14:10 GMT
While perhaps not as vehement, I generally agree with Chili's thoughts. The already produced counter to the timing issue was done in February. It had many hitches, but was still fun and creative. This is a common problem of playing things form around the world. Generally, if you want an asian or european or whatever tournament, find organizers/promoters from those time zones, and/or prove that your time frame is much better and productive for a larger amount of people. It seems pretty simple to me. Not sure what the "timing issue" was but yeah the Feb tournament was great and I didn't mind too much getting up to play at 4am even if I was playing pretty sleepily As for finding another tournament organiser of course that's an option but I just though since we already have a good mobile community here and it's not called "Hex TCG Pro USA" I thought we could try and make this a truly global thing. But if the community doesn't really see it as a priority and admins don't want to that's their choice and it's fine... I guess we'll just carry on and eventually someone will come up with a more global option. Cheers. |
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Post by chililili on Mar 4, 2014 20:47:59 GMT
For the record, sorry if I offended anyone. Anyway you will never be able to have a tournament that pleases and is convenient to everyone so try not to overcomplicate things. Not every time is there a GP in your backyard at your leisure.
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Post by Werlix on Mar 4, 2014 21:30:35 GMT
For the record, sorry if I offended anyone. Anyway you will never be able to have a tournament that pleases and is convenient to everyone so try not to overcomplicate things. Not every time is there a GP in your backyard at your leisure. Oh I live in New Zealand so I am very familiar with not having anything "in my backyard" Of course we can't please everyone, I just want a small bone thrown to the non-USA audience. Myself and others are suggesting something that would please a large number of people for a relatively small amount of effort. But it is still some amount of effort so it's up to the admins... |
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Post by Admin on Mar 8, 2014 16:17:02 GMT
Just to address some of the concerns still floating around ...
I want nothing but to make everyone happy. That is the absolute honest truth. I don't play in my own events and do nothing but promote Hex because I want the game, and the website, to be successful. That said, it is impossible to please everyone. The time given for the February event, which is the same time for the March event, wasn't just randomly picked. I studied the time zones and where the majority of the Hex players are located and arrived upon 10 am EST as the best time. That is 3:00 GMT and a completely reasonable time to start and finish a tournament for MOST of the world. I am completely aware that West coast players in the US as well as some Asian and Aussie players will have a very difficult time making this, but that's just a small population of players that I can't really feasibly adjust the time to inconvenience everyone else. I've considered moving the start time to noon EST but then that opens up most of the Europeans to finish in the middle of the night.
If players from the time zones that are inconvenient really want to play, they will make plans to do so. The date for the March event was announced a week ago so players have plenty of time to prepare and plan. Again, I'm deeply sorry if the time just makes it so that it isn't possible to play in the events but I'm doing everything that I can. We are a US based guild and website and while the rest of the world is very, very important to us, it's too hard to please everyone.
I hope that this didn't come off in the wrong way. We will look at alternatives to making everyone happy once we are in the beta stages but for now things will remain as is.
-John
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Post by cabalpapa on Mar 8, 2014 17:33:08 GMT
I've looked everywhere, but I don't see anything about this March challenge. If I can get that information, I will share the info with Dragonborns (juzamjedi, myself, and many others).
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