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Post by htpnekosh on Jan 15, 2014 20:12:29 GMT
It sounds cool, though I'm not completely sure that I'll be able to play. If I knew the date that we were having it, then I could probably plan
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Post by frey on Jan 15, 2014 20:36:13 GMT
I like this idea. Although there can be timing problem, sometimes 50 minus for 3 round match can be not enough. Nevertheless it worth to try.
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Post by HTP TJTaylor on Jan 15, 2014 20:41:04 GMT
Good idea, John. The worst that can happen is it doesn't work out and it has to go back to what we are doing now. Worth a shot and I really can't see it not working out for the better.
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Post by ravenloft on Jan 15, 2014 21:56:19 GMT
I am one of the people who will get pushed out of the series if this occurs. My first thought was "oh crap" as I realised an 8 hour tournament would commence at 1am Sunday morning, but I wanted to give some constructed ideas about alternatives to this.
There are clearly time zone issues and I think a really good solution would be to set it up similar to the UEFA Champions League is set up. For those of you that are not familiar I will explain. Depending on the population of the country (and other factors I think), each country is assigned places in the Champions League. So for instance, England get 4 places, Spain 4, France 3, Italy 3, Russia 2 etc.
They then have a big playoff (of sorts, but more drawn out) between the top teams of each respective country each year.
So what I am proposing is 2 tournaments (each 8 hours apart) in which players can register for one of the 2. One would be closer to European Time/Eastern US time (similar to what John proposed) and the second would be more around West USA/Asia time (perhaps starting at 3pm West Coast time). Now for those in the USA, you get an advantage in that you can choose which tournament best suits you.
Depending on numbers you can then assign places to the top 16 (east might get 10, west might get 6 places). Then over the following weeks of the month you have your "Champions League" which is basically the top 16 that play off as we are now. It will be easier to manage given you have 5-7 days (or whatever John desides) to play 8 games week one, 4 games week 2 etc. A lot easier than trying to manage 80 games in 2 days.
On a side note: I saw the HTP guild and then the subsequent tournament and was really envious that people based in the US get to be part of something special like that. This is something that, being outside of the US, I have been used to for a long time as generally people in the Asia Pacific are unable to participate in a lot of events in any game due to our geographical location. I am really appreciated of John making this tournament global so far but respect that it needs to be in the best interests of as many people as possible if his idea goes ahead.
Cheers
Edit: Now I think about it, you guys do same with your Basketball
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Post by Werlix on Jan 15, 2014 22:58:08 GMT
As ravenloft already suggested above, splitting the tournament into two parts with different start times could help cover more ground with start times for people globally. Then top 8 from each tournament battle it out in the playoffs (or top 4 from each, or top 5 from one and 3 from the other depending on player count) For me a sat 9am est start = 3am sunday start In saying that I could potentially plan ahead and get up at 2:30am for a 3am tourney I do like the idea of a one-day tournament.
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Post by showsni on Jan 15, 2014 23:59:22 GMT
I'd imagine that as the fanbase grows these could end up being very oversubscribed, such that a simple 8 rounds of Swiss might not be sufficient for a top 8 cut. So splitting into several tournaments by region/timezone could be a good idea. (And seeing as how once we go live it will be split along region lines anyway that could provide a good way of doing the splitting.)
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Post by htplocklegion on Jan 16, 2014 0:13:38 GMT
A one day event would sort of be impractical for people like me. If it was back in my college days, prior to owning a house, having a wife, etc.; sure, but I enjoy online TCG as opposed to in-person TCG for the flexibility and not having to enter negotiations with my spouse. I would think that a tournament stretched over a single week would probably be more practical for timezone and life arrangement purposes.
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Post by zubrin on Jan 16, 2014 1:52:18 GMT
Mountain time here, I would do this if I knew far enough in advance. Setting my schedule is important.
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Post by htpkindmime on Jan 16, 2014 2:04:08 GMT
I really like the idea, if the top 8 is going to play on a different day though. What about making it two 1 day events. To give people a little more chance to make it and possibly having a top 16, Or combining the top 4. Just throwing an idea out there, make one perhaps Saturday night and one Sunday morning were you can't join both.. This might accommodate our overseas (although america is the only important country) crew and give more diversity. Have the top play on Sunday night.
I also liked the Idea to giving points based on wins and extra for top 16 or 8. It does sound unfair for a 5-3 or possibly a 6.2 to receive the same amount of points as a 0-8.
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Post by karn on Jan 16, 2014 2:26:52 GMT
Sounds great. I'm definitely supportive of this.
Only problem of course would be server stability - but if that can be figured out then this would be great.
Also, I'm assuming there would be a roundwide timer? Regarding that: if the timer is hit (say, 1 hour) how would a match be called if the players haven't finished their Bo3, since the 1v1 Bo3 system isn't out yet - though it may very well be implemented by February and this question could be irrelevant. This is probably something you can leave unanswered until closer to the event to see if it needs answered or not, but it's something to keep in mind.
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Post by pappyjasper on Jan 16, 2014 5:05:34 GMT
Sounds neat but hard to organize. I was typing up a suggestion for regionals when I decided to actually read all the replies first and see umaro already suggested it Maybe add a championship match on the 4th weekend of the top players from the 3 regions?
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Post by meetthefutur3 on Jan 16, 2014 6:44:16 GMT
This sounds great, especially if we find something (in terms of OP) to fill the weeks of waiting for the next challenge
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Post by san82 on Jan 16, 2014 7:12:37 GMT
hi,
i think 1 day tournaments will be the norm later on but right now im not sure if it will work. The biggest problem i see is finishing the rounds. Yesterday we had to create over 15 games and only 1 worked so we needed about 2 hours to finish even one game. I have like no idead how you could handle that in a 1 day event cause when for example only half the people can finish there matches due to bugs in the 50 minutes whats with the rest. If you wait for them then the event will go on forever and if you dont wait they get losses cause of bugs. If the client/servers get really stable till february then its probably a good idea.
i think the format right now is not too bad. Its fun to have a match every 2 days. My proposal would be to split the normal swiss rounds in eu and us and play top 8 / 16 out between the best 4 / 8 of each bracket. Other countries you could fit in the brackets where there time zone matches best.
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Post by htpFlyingMeatchip on Jan 16, 2014 12:42:00 GMT
How about a basic single or double elimination tournament. You can have the higher numbers participating in the tournament. Players that are eliminated won't have to stick around for the entire event. You can even have two different brackets for US time zones and European time zones. Just a quick thought that might simplify things a little bit.
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Post by Admin on Jan 16, 2014 15:48:16 GMT
Thank you all so much for the suggestions and concerns brought forth so far. I want to take some time and address some of them:
1.)There will be a round timer always ticking on my stream. Anyone who would like to know exactly how much time is in the round can either have my stream running in the background or just check it sparingly. You may also keep track yourself as the time the round ends will be posted on these public forums. It will not be a surprise when the round ends.
As far as the end of time procedure goes, I'm hoping for them to implement best of three challenges by then. If they do not, then we'll have to work out a fair procedure as I'm not allowing draws under any circumstances. Most games use life totals to decide a game three winner in the case of time being called and while I don't love that idea, it may be the best that we have. That's still to be determined.
2.)For February anyway, I am not having multiple events. I'm certainly not trying to discourage the Asian and Aussie players but I value my own personal time and I can't possibly run two three events per month that take over my entire weekend. I appreciate that you guys want it so badly and it really makes me want to do something about it. If the player base for Hex can really support it, I'll start looking for volunteers for the other regions events but I can't give up all my Saturday's for something that I'm not compensated for. I don't make any money off of these events nor am I looking to at this time. I still feel that 9 AM EST is a good starting time for an event of this magnitude for most everyone but if the number of participants is far below expected I'll start looking into alternatives.
3.)The tournament will remain swiss. A 180 person single elimination tournament isn't really very fun. I do like the suggestion but it just wouldn't work logistically. If anyone feels like they can't make top 8 or top 16 they can drop at any point during the tournament by simply informing me.
4.)The server issues that we're experiencing now are of course a cause for concern but the February event will not be until the second half of the month which is going to be at least 3 weeks away. I'm putting a lot of stock into CZE to make sure that their servers are stable by then since that's getting close to their proposed beta date. In the off-chance that the servers are poor that day, the event will simply have to be moved. I'll make sure to prepare for that so the February event will be held on the 15th of February with the alternate date of the 22nd. You can feel comfortable penciling that in your calendar to make yourself available.
5.)Yes there will be a lunch/dinner break. Obviously since the event is held in the confines of your home you can take breaks as you please, however there will still be a 30-45 minute lunch/dinner break. Thank you for the suggestion.
Please keep the questions and concerns coming!
- John
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